BMW M3 Forum
BMW M3 Forum BMW M3 Gallery BMW M3 Reviews BMW M3 Social Groups BMW M3 Chat M3Forum Sponsors >>
Loading


Mobile M3forum
Go Back   BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 | E36 M3 | E46 M3 | E92 M3 | F80/X) > M3Forum Garage > M3 Track: Racing and DE
Tire Rack Buy Winter Tires Now!
Not a member? Register Now!
Register Gallery All AlbumsBlogs Garage Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Calendar FAQ

M3 Track: Racing and DE Best mod for speed is learning to get the most out of what you currently have. Tracks and DE's is the place to start!

Like us on Facebook
M3forum Sponsor ListInterested in Becoming an M3forum sponsor?  Click here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Wed, Jun-13-2012, 08:01:25 PM   #1
duvinclunk
nightman.
 
duvinclunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,210
Reputation: 0 duvinclunk is on a distinguished road
Location: SLC

United States




Default Track and street alignments.

Had a few questions. My car is currently set up with a 'track' alignment and I'm aggressive enough that I'm wearing through tires decently fast. I'm wondering how many people DD their M3's as well as get them on the track and have an alignment for both street and track. Does anyone get both alignments done and really switch between the two. Now I'm not saying it's put on an alignment rack and getting another alignment but quickly switching the camber and toe back for the street. Anyone do this?

Suggestions are welcome.
__________________
06 M3 ZCP. IB/Black. Not Stock.
02 M3. TiAg/Imola. TCKline. Dinan. Forgestar. (sold )
Jump to top duvinclunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Register now and remove these ads
Old Wed, Jun-13-2012, 09:16:50 PM   #2
BlazenXLT
always money in the banana stand
 
BlazenXLT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,781
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 BlazenXLT is on a distinguished road
Location: North of Baltimore

United States




Default Re: Track and street alignments.

I switch between two setting, at least in the front.
__________________
Jump to top BlazenXLT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Wed, Jun-13-2012, 09:20:59 PM   #3
pawa_k2001
Track Junkie
 
pawa_k2001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 389
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 pawa_k2001 is on a distinguished road

Ukraine




Default Re: Track and street alignments.

^ Doesn't that put toe completely out of wack?
__________________
Suspension: AST 4100 GTS Suspension, Vorshlag camber plates, Reinforced rear subframe, Powerflex bushings
Engine: Stock
Brakes: Bimmerworld Brake Stiffener Kit
Interior: Jaffster Delrin Shifter Knob
Wheels: Apex ARC-8 18x9.5" W/ Dunlop Star Spec tires 275/35/18
Jump to top pawa_k2001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Wed, Jun-13-2012, 09:46:17 PM   #4
BlazenXLT
always money in the banana stand
 
BlazenXLT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,781
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 BlazenXLT is on a distinguished road
Location: North of Baltimore

United States




Default Re: Track and street alignments.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pawa_k2001 View Post
^ Doesn't that put toe completely out of wack?
It certainly changes it. I had the shop that did my alignment set the toe to 0 at -2 camber. At -3.5, the front toes out to 1/4" total. I'm sure that my adjustments back and forth are not completely accurate, but I knew that going in. I don't drive my car that much on the street, so a fraction of a degree here and there doesn't really bother me. On that note, I have done quite a few changes back and forth, so I'm probably due for another alignment to square everthing up again.
__________________
Jump to top BlazenXLT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Wed, Jun-13-2012, 11:09:25 PM   #5
M3ANMACHINE
HellaFunctional
 
M3ANMACHINE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,963
Reputation: 0 M3ANMACHINE is on a distinguished road
Location: So. Cal

India




Default Re: Track and street alignments.

As long as your toe is proper, you shouldn't be wearing your tires too bad...
__________________

E90 ///M3 - AW - 6MT - Volk - Akrapovic - Dinan
Quote:
Originally Posted by F1 Game 2013 View Post
iHatePosers says, "I was having a sh!t the past few weeks..." -Kimi
Jump to top M3ANMACHINE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Wed, Jun-13-2012, 11:44:12 PM   #6
krell
Registered User
 
krell's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 936
Reputation: 0 krell is on a distinguished road

United States




Default Re: Track and street alignments.

Camber and toe are linked generally. I think there's one camber plate manufacturer that allows camber adjustments w/o affecting toe, but I forget who it is.
Jump to top krell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Thu, Jun-14-2012, 02:28:41 AM   #7
DanAvoN7
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 576
Reputation: 0 DanAvoN7 is on a distinguished road
Location: Bay Area

United States




Default Re: Track and street alignments.

I run two alignments, one for the street and one for the track. The front I have my camber plates pulled all the way out with toe set to 0. On the street this gives me -2.0/-2.1 camber left/right. I have a mark on my camber plates so when I go to the track I push them in and that mark is for -3.5* of camber. When you add more camber in front on the M3 the toe will start to go out slightly. So my settings change from 0 toe to a bit of toe out when I push the plates in. This is a good thing for handling as a bit of toe out up front helps turn in. The rear remains the same for both my street and track alignment.


Quote:
Originally Posted by krell View Post
Camber and toe are linked generally. I think there's one camber plate manufacturer that allows camber adjustments w/o affecting toe, but I forget who it is.
They are linked. Change your camber and your toe changes. The manufacture you are referring to is TCKline, they say you can adjust your camber up to -1.5* without loosing track of your toe. This doesn't mean your toe won't change though when camber is changed, just that you won't loose track of it.. ie you move your plate from point A to point B, then back to point A and the toe will be back to the same setting as it was initially.
__________________
04 BMW M3 6spd - Alpine White/Black

BBS LM w/ Michelin Pilot Super Sport's, Apex ARC-8 w/ Nitto NT-01's, TCKline D/A Coilovers, TCKline Camber plates, SPC Rear Trailing Arms, Reinforced Subframe, Brembo BBK (355mm front, 345mm rear), Rogue Engineering Transmission Mounts, Rogue Engineering RTAB's, Treehouse Racing FCAB's, SGT Headers, SGT Section 1, Dinan Exhaust, Vorsteiner V-CSL Bumper, Vorsteiner V-CSL Trunk, Vorsteiner V-CSL Diffuser, Kirk Racing Roll Bar, Recaro SPG, Scroth Profi 2 Harness
Jump to top DanAvoN7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Thu, Jun-14-2012, 03:32:36 AM   #8
duvinclunk
nightman.
 
duvinclunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,210
Reputation: 0 duvinclunk is on a distinguished road
Location: SLC

United States




Default Re: Track and street alignments.

Thanks for the responses guys. Trying to decide if this is worth it to me to get arranged.
__________________
06 M3 ZCP. IB/Black. Not Stock.
02 M3. TiAg/Imola. TCKline. Dinan. Forgestar. (sold )
Jump to top duvinclunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Thu, Jun-14-2012, 11:26:30 AM   #9
NPalacioM3
Registered User
 
NPalacioM3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 5,404
In the garage:
Reputation: 0 NPalacioM3 is on a distinguished road
Location: Vienna, VA

Spain




Default Re: Track and street alignments.

If your toe is good, you shouldn't be wearing through tires. I'm at-3.5F and -2.2R and have had excellent life on my RE-11's.
__________________
Nick
Real race cars don't have roofs or fenders.
Jump to top NPalacioM3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Mon, Jun-25-2012, 02:08:09 AM   #10
macming
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 704
Reputation: 0 macming is on a distinguished road
Location: Ontario

Canada




Default Re: Track and street alignments.

What is the prefered front to rear camber ratio? I have mine set to -2 F/-3.5F for the track, and factory at the back (I want to say -1, not sure though). The car handled pretty well at the track with this configuration, but I'm wondering if it would handle better with a bit more camber at the back.

I'm thinking of picking up a set of camber arms, if they allow quick and consistent camber adjustments like camber plates up front.
Jump to top macming is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 03:40:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
M3Forum.com and M3forum.net is in no way sponsored, endorsed or affiliated by or with BMW NA / BMW AG or any of it's subsidiaries or vendors.
BMW and M3 (E90 M3 | E92 M3 | E93 M3 | E46 M3 | E36 M3 | E30 M3) are registered trademarks of BMW AG.
M3Forum Terms of Service
Copyright ©1999-2012 M3Forum.com
One of the largest message boards on the web !
Discussing Track and street alignments. in the M3 Track: Racing and DE Forum - Best mod for speed is learning to get the most out of what you currently have. Tracks and DE's is the place to start! at BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 | E36 M3 | E46 M3 | E92 M3 | F80/X)