HPDE Tire Advice

Ascetic777 · Thu, Jun-21-2012, 08:44:49 PM

I have an '03 M3 that is pretty much stock (except brakes), and I'm trying to do the most HPDE's as possible this summer. I feel like I'm progressing nicely (getting smoother, faster), and want to keep my suspension pretty much stock until next year so I can learn the car better.

I've done 5 track days on Michelin Pilot Super Sports, and the outside edge of the tire is almost gone. No cords yet, but the tires are definitely wearing unevenly - 70% to 80% remaining on the inner and middle of the tire, and it's only a matter of time before I see cords on the outer edge. I've dialed in the most negative camber possible for stock suspension and fiddled a bunch with air pressure to try to limit the outer edges demise, to no avail. I've read a bunch of things where people have the same problem, and it's fixed with adding more negative camber which I can't do unless I get camber plates.

Which leads to my question... What tires would you choose next (for my dedicated track wheels)? Should I stay with the PSS's, go to R Comps (Pilot Sport Cups, R888s, NT-01s, others), or something different? The PSS's have amazing grip, I really like them. Night and day better than the original Pilot Sports or Advan Sports I've used on the track before. I don't really want to step down in grip, but the PSS's are pretty darn pricey. Is there a tire with better outside edge wear for a car with 1.5 degrees of camber on all 4 corners?

Any input any of y'all have is greatly appreciated.

vtn86 · Thu, Jun-21-2012, 08:50:16 PM

I don't think the tire selection is going to help you much. Have you swapped strut tops already?

See-Fu · Thu, Jun-21-2012, 09:00:08 PM

prob not worth getting r comps till you can get some camber plates.

Ascetic777 · Thu, Jun-21-2012, 09:00:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtn86

I don't think the tire selection is going to help you much. Have you swapped strut tops already?

I haven't swapped strut mounts, no. I would think a tire without such a soft outer edge might help me.

Bennymic · Thu, Jun-21-2012, 09:16:57 PM

You need more negative camber. Swapping the strut tops is the way to do this without installing camber plates/coilovers.

Reach · Thu, Jun-21-2012, 10:43:53 PM

And there is really no point in R comps for you until you can get the camber and suspension to take advantage of them. <-- says a non R comp driver.

SC_TR0JAN_M3 · Fri, Jun-22-2012, 02:23:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reach

And there is really no point in R comps for you until you can get the camber and suspension to take advantage of them. <-- says a non R comp driver.

this.

admranger · Fri, Jun-22-2012, 04:19:28 PM

Swap your strut hats. If you pull the strut all the way out at the top you'll only have about -2 degrees of camber or so, if you don't want to eat your inner tire edge up as much during commuting.

One way to decrease tire costs is to get a tire that can be flipped on the wheel. That way when the outside edge gets eaten up a bit you can flip it and voila`, you have a new outside edge to use up.

Also, until you are advanced, I'd stay on street tires. You'll learn more.

Dtireshop · Sat, Aug-04-2012, 01:02:44 AM

This is a great tire and good price also http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ireMake=Dunlop

It is a directional tire but you can swap left tire to right wheel and right tire to left wheel when the outside edge gets eaten.

Thu, Jun-21-2012, 08:44:49 PM	#1
Ascetic777 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 147 In the garage: '03 BMW M3 Reputation: 0 Location: Warshington	HPDE Tire Advice I have an '03 M3 that is pretty much stock (except brakes), and I'm trying to do the most HPDE's as possible this summer. I feel like I'm progressing nicely (getting smoother, faster), and want to keep my suspension pretty much stock until next year so I can learn the car better. I've done 5 track days on Michelin Pilot Super Sports, and the outside edge of the tire is almost gone. No cords yet, but the tires are definitely wearing unevenly - 70% to 80% remaining on the inner and middle of the tire, and it's only a matter of time before I see cords on the outer edge. I've dialed in the most negative camber possible for stock suspension and fiddled a bunch with air pressure to try to limit the outer edges demise, to no avail. I've read a bunch of things where people have the same problem, and it's fixed with adding more negative camber which I can't do unless I get camber plates. Which leads to my question... What tires would you choose next (for my dedicated track wheels)? Should I stay with the PSS's, go to R Comps (Pilot Sport Cups, R888s, NT-01s, others), or something different? The PSS's have amazing grip, I really like them. Night and day better than the original Pilot Sports or Advan Sports I've used on the track before. I don't really want to step down in grip, but the PSS's are pretty darn pricey. Is there a tire with better outside edge wear for a car with 1.5 degrees of camber on all 4 corners? Any input any of y'all have is greatly appreciated.

Thu, Jun-21-2012, 08:50:16 PM	#2
vtn86 Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 757 Reputation: 0 Location: Tacoma, WA	Re: HPDE Tire Advice I don't think the tire selection is going to help you much. Have you swapped strut tops already?

Thu, Jun-21-2012, 09:00:08 PM	#3
See-Fu Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,528 Reputation: 0 Location: Los Angeles	Re: HPDE Tire Advice prob not worth getting r comps till you can get some camber plates.

Thu, Jun-21-2012, 09:16:57 PM	#5
Bennymic Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 75 Reputation: 0	Re: HPDE Tire Advice You need more negative camber. Swapping the strut tops is the way to do this without installing camber plates/coilovers.

Thu, Jun-21-2012, 10:43:53 PM	#6
Reach Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,148 Reputation: 0 Location: Raleigh NC	Re: HPDE Tire Advice And there is really no point in R comps for you until you can get the camber and suspension to take advantage of them. <-- says a non R comp driver. __________________

Fri, Jun-22-2012, 04:19:28 PM	#8
admranger Registered troublemaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 462 Reputation: 0 Location: Las Vegas	Re: HPDE Tire Advice Swap your strut hats. If you pull the strut all the way out at the top you'll only have about -2 degrees of camber or so, if you don't want to eat your inner tire edge up as much during commuting. One way to decrease tire costs is to get a tire that can be flipped on the wheel. That way when the outside edge gets eaten up a bit you can flip it and voila`, you have a new outside edge to use up. Also, until you are advanced, I'd stay on street tires. You'll learn more. __________________ '02 M3, Imola/Black, 6MT, CWP, PP, xenons, no sunroof, swapped ft. strut hats, Bimmerworld radiator and oil cooler, Ohlin struts/shocks, Eibach pro kit, PFC DD Rotors, PFC pads (Z or 06, depends...), Hybrid Audio Technologies Clarus speakers up front, two HAT Legatia 8's in rear deck, two big amps in the trunk for increased downforce... '11 E90 M3, Mebourne/Black/Fox Red/Black, 6MT, roof, PP2, heated seats, bone stock

Sat, Aug-04-2012, 01:02:44 AM	#9
Dtireshop Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 132 Reputation: 0 Location: Winter Haven	Re: HPDE Tire Advice This is a great tire and good price also http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ireMake=Dunlop It is a directional tire but you can swap left tire to right wheel and right tire to left wheel when the outside edge gets eaten. __________________ *1995 E36 M3*

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