[das borgen]

Originally Posted by pMak26

^me too, BUMP!

Lots of good info. I'm looking for something to hold up to HPDE and still be reasonable on the street.

EBC yellowstuff

[hencini]

From everything I read (and I read a lot), it seems like the Axxis Ultimates / PBR ULTs are the way to go for street AutoX. And while they might hold up to light track work, they're *not* track pads.

Mr. E is right-- if you get into HPDE at all, you're going to be best served using two sets of pads... There are some that work on both, but it's a compromise (see: All-Season Tires).

I'm not willing to compromise ANY safety on the street-- I need something that bites NOW, regardless of temp. And compromising on the track doesn't make a lot of sense to me either (espeicially after investigating more about how and why brake fade happens after I read about C&D's recent escapade crashing a 370Z into the wall at VIR)... Why pick up something you know is going to fade or disintegrate under track use?

[JPoland]

Originally Posted by hencini

From everything I read (and I read a lot), it seems like the Axxis Ultimates / PBR ULTs are the way to go for street AutoX. And while they might hold up to light track work, they're *not* track pads.

Mr. E is right-- if you get into HPDE at all, you're going to be best served using two sets of pads... There are some that work on both, but it's a compromise (see: All-Season Tires).

I'm not willing to compromise ANY safety on the street-- I need something that bites NOW, regardless of temp. And compromising on the track doesn't make a lot of sense to me either (espeicially after investigating more about how and why brake fade happens after I read about C&D's recent escapade crashing a 370Z into the wall at VIR)... Why pick up something you know is going to fade or disintegrate under track use?

Exactly

I went out for one session on Hawk HP Plus pads which are an agressive street pad (I still don't like them though) and never will I go out with street pads again. Its not that I'm saying street pads don't belong on the track but for someone with track experience that has been using track pads for a while, those street pads honestly scared the crap out of me becuase I felt like they weren't predictable and weren't up to the task of hauling the car down in a very short distance.

For a first track event though, good street pads are a better way to go and your instructor will guide you accordlingly

[hencini]

Originally Posted by JPoland

For a first track event though, good street pads are a better way to go and your instructor will guide you accordlingly

Good point. And the first place I'm likely to do a HPDE will be down at Gateway in St. Louis. I'd feel comfortable using a good street pad there since it's basically a glorified AutoX course-- only one straight once you get out on the oval and even then, my stock ///M will probably just be hitting the low triple digits before having to brake.

For something like that (especially as a 1st timer with an instructor in the car), upgraded street pads shouldn't be an issue. For more serious track use, though, you'll want a real track pad...

[JPoland]

Originally Posted by hencini

Good point. And the first place I'm likely to do a HPDE will be down at Gateway in St. Louis. I'd feel comfortable using a good street pad there since it's basically a glorified AutoX course-- only one straight once you get out on the oval and even then, my stock ///M will probably just be hitting the low triple digits before having to brake.

For something like that (especially as a 1st timer with an instructor in the car), upgraded street pads shouldn't be an issue. For more serious track use, though, you'll want a real track pad...

I did have track pads my first HPDE and I was breaking later but I definitely wasn't taking advantage of what the pad could really do (and I'm even still learning). I would have been just fine without them though.
First track day is all just meant to be taken in, no need to go crazy preparing (that comes later )

[OahuMPower]

Originally Posted by hencini

Good point. And the first place I'm likely to do a HPDE will be down at Gateway in St. Louis.

not anymore....

U need to come to Blackhawk, Road America, Autobahn with me next year and we can figure it out

[OahuMPower]

Originally Posted by JPoland

I did have track pads my first HPDE and I was breaking later ...

"BRAKING"....

what is it today and "braking"

[JPoland]

Originally Posted by OahuMPower

"BRAKING"....

what is it today and "braking"

Usually I'm pretty good about that. I'm feeling really tired at the moment though. Running in the morning then sitting at a desk most of the day screws with me I guess.

[hencini]

Originally Posted by OahuMPower

not anymore....

U need to come to Blackhawk, Road America, Autobahn with me next year and we can figure it out

Word...

Originally Posted by JPoland

Usually I'm pretty good about that. I'm feeling really tired at the moment though. Running in the morning then sitting at a desk most of the day screws with me I guess.

Are you training?

[roundel88]

For what it's worth, I installed PFC-Zs in October and have 4 days on them at Summit Point Main and I haven't had any problems with them, no fade with my driving style. Low dust, but the initial bite is quite a bit less than what I had on the Axxis Ultimates and that took a little getting used to on the street. If I get the opportunity to do more track events next year I'll probably step up to a dedicated track pad to avoid the compromise.