[Hawse771]

i think a few of you missed the fact that the 335 isnt stock...so comparing it to a stock 335 is pointless

All im curious about is how it walked the m5 so bad. (which obviously means the m5 driver sucks)

As one person above said, their friend with the xede 335 was only even with the m5 from a hwy punch and definately not putting 2-3 car lengths from 80-120 or whatever

edit: seriously though why dont all of you 2f 2f racers go to a drag strip and see who the real man is...i swear there's so many 335's that go on and on abotu mods/tq/how fast they are..but none of them go to damn drag strips? I see plenty of stupid gtech timers though. So either they are scared to go to a drag strip or they dont bother posting their times

[viingx]

I test drove the 335 last week. It didn't "feel" fast, but maybe the engine is that smooth?

Handling and cornering, the M3 wins hands down.

[Insider]

Originally Posted by M3tor2nR

Stock for Stock, the E46 M3 is faster period. Not only is it faster on paper, but I've had first hand experience. I have yet to lose to a 335i in the Bay Area.

E46 ///M3 acceleration times:

0-60mph - 4.8 sec
1/4 mile - 13.1 sec
0-100mph: 11.5 sec
0-110mph: 14.5 sec

E92 335i acceleration times:

0-60mph - 5.0 sec
1/4 mile - 13.6 sec
0-100mph: 12.7 sec
0-110mph: 15.6 sec


time difference:
0-100mph: 1.2 sec
0-110mph: 1.1 sec

A 1 second difference when you're goin 110mph is about 4-5 car lengths.

So with THAT much more torque, a 7 year newer design and technology and TWO Turbo's... it's still slower than a stock E46 M3 that breathes in nothing but thin crisp air with NO forced induction. And that's still only talkin about straightline speeds. And around any given course, the M3 will still outlap a 335i. Drive them both back to back. You will instantly notice how the M3 feels more agile and on its feet than the 335i. Those guys over at BMW ///Motorsport division don't play around.

335i 0-60 4.8 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=105658

[M3tor2nR]

Originally Posted by Insider

335i 0-60 4.8 http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=105658

First off, that's the absolute fastest recorded 0-60mph time for the 335i. Everywhere else states it at 4.9-5.2 seconds. The fastest recorded time for the E46 M3 was 4.6 seconds. I have 2 magazines that state it. And notice the 335i's trap speed. It's never been higher than the E46 M3.

The top end of a 335i sucks ass. The power curve goes down after 6000rpm to redline. The torque curve falls after 3000rpms. How weak is that. There are guys WITH Procedes getting high 13's in the 1/4 mile. Dissapointed, they were told to shift EARLIER to stay in the best powerband. By doing this, they were able to get slightly better times.

0-110mph, the M3 is still over a FULL second faster. That's alot. And it handles better. It's more agile and nimble. The S54 powerplant doesn't stop making power till you hit the 8000rpm redline. The Torque curve is flat and very nice. The characteristic of the M3 is definately race oriented. The 335i is not. It's only got the two small Mitsubishi turbo's to boast. And when people want to upgrade to bigger turbo's, they have to do lots of work. It's not as simple as just changing out the turbo's like most Japanese cars. These turbos are BUILT INTO the manifold itself.

335i's are nice, don't get me wrong. And they're easy to squeeze power from thanks to boost... but E46 M3 ftw!!!!!

[Insider]

Originally Posted by M3tor2nR

First off, that's the absolute fastest recorded 0-60mph time for the 335i. Everywhere else states it at 4.9-5.2 seconds. The fastest recorded time for the E46 M3 was 4.6 seconds. I have 2 magazines that state it. And notice the 335i's trap speed. It's never been higher than the E46 M3.

The top end of a 335i sucks ass. The power curve goes down after 6000rpm to redline. The torque curve falls after 3000rpms. How weak is that. There are guys WITH Procedes getting high 13's in the 1/4 mile. Dissapointed, they were told to shift EARLIER to stay in the best powerband. By doing this, they were able to get slightly better times.

0-110mph, the M3 is still over a FULL second faster. That's alot. And it handles better. It's more agile and nimble. The S54 powerplant doesn't stop making power till you hit the 8000rpm redline. The Torque curve is flat and very nice. The characteristic of the M3 is definately race oriented. The 335i is not. It's only got the two small Mitsubishi turbo's to boast. And when people want to upgrade to bigger turbo's, they have to do lots of work. It's not as simple as just changing out the turbo's like most Japanese cars. These turbos are BUILT INTO the manifold itself.

335i's are nice, don't get me wrong. And they're easy to squeeze power from thanks to boost... but E46 M3 ftw!!!!!

That's nice and all but as an '02 M3 owner living at 4,500 feet above sea level I can assure you the M3's power curve sucks ass. It only makes 280HP at this elevation, down from 333. The turbo's in the 335 add additional boost to compensate for the altitude. So for 99% of my driving, the 335 will be the much faster car. Sad but true. And when you think about it, there are a lot of people that live at high-altitude. Even Las Vegas in 2,200 feet above sea level. The bottom line is the 335 is just as fast as the M3 at sea level, much faster with a PROcede, and much faster at altitude in all situations.

[djben]

Originally Posted by Insider

The bottom line is the 335 is just as fast as the M3 at sea level

incorrect.

[M3tor2nR]

Originally Posted by Insider

That's nice and all but as an '02 M3 owner living at 4,500 feet above sea level I can assure you the M3's power curve sucks ass. It only makes 280HP at this elevation, down from 333. The turbo's in the 335 add additional boost to compensate for the altitude. So for 99% of my driving, the 335 will be the much faster car. Sad but true. And when you think about it, there are a lot of people that live at high-altitude. Even Las Vegas in 2,200 feet above sea level. The bottom line is the 335 is just as fast as the M3 at sea level, much faster with a PROcede, and much faster at altitude in all situations.

Sucks for you. Any car you get will **** ass because of your elevation. Time to move to CALI!!!


And yea... stock for stock, the M3 gets it everytime unless the M3 driver f*cks up. Here at sea level at least.

[Turbonetics]

Former M3 owner here, just got a 335i...

Stock for stock M3 will win, from a dig, from a roll, around the track, over and back...

But i have test driven the Procede equipped 335i and it's pretty much as fast as a stage 1 supercharged M3, if not faster, mad mad torque...

M3 still sexier though, and it'll go down in the books as the sexiest car ever built by BMW...

[liuk3]

Originally Posted by JiX

^^ Unfortunately, it's true... Oh well, I still got mad luv for my M3. Besides, the streets are not racing tracks. Our cars are fast enough.

Amen, brotha! I had the choice to get another e46 m3 (to replace my old one) or to get a new 335. My wife asked me why I wouldn't rather get a brand new car than a used car BMW doesn't even produce anymore. Even if the 335 were faster (which it isn't), I still do feel like my car is plenty fast enough for the streets. I don't need another excuse to get a ticket. There will always be something about the "M" brand. In the end, I chose to come back to the e46. Just my two cents.

[Insider]

Originally Posted by M3tor2nR

First off, that's the absolute fastest recorded 0-60mph time for the 335i. Everywhere else states it at 4.9-5.2 seconds. The fastest recorded time for the E46 M3 was 4.6 seconds. I have 2 magazines that state it. And notice the 335i's trap speed. It's never been higher than the E46 M3.

The top end of a 335i sucks ass. The power curve goes down after 6000rpm to redline. The torque curve falls after 3000rpms. How weak is that. There are guys WITH Procedes getting high 13's in the 1/4 mile. Dissapointed, they were told to shift EARLIER to stay in the best powerband. By doing this, they were able to get slightly better times.

0-110mph, the M3 is still over a FULL second faster. That's alot. And it handles better. It's more agile and nimble. The S54 powerplant doesn't stop making power till you hit the 8000rpm redline. The Torque curve is flat and very nice. The characteristic of the M3 is definately race oriented. The 335i is not. It's only got the two small Mitsubishi turbo's to boast. And when people want to upgrade to bigger turbo's, they have to do lots of work. It's not as simple as just changing out the turbo's like most Japanese cars. These turbos are BUILT INTO the manifold itself.

335i's are nice, don't get me wrong. And they're easy to squeeze power from thanks to boost... but E46 M3 ftw!!!!!

Post #10 pretty much sums it up http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ht=lacr+m3+335