DSC off = Death Mode ?

baller1792 · Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:39:13 PM

This is obviously in regards to DSC being OFF. Now I've had bad experiences with traction control off in a 350z, racing on a windy road with it is just too scary as it always loses traction and always having to catch it again (road was closed no innocent bystanders). I even did a F+ drift by accident just doing a normal no brake turn and almost falling into a ditch lol. Back to the main topic, now that I have shown you some bad experiences with traction control off I want to know how bad it is to have DSC off on the M3. Today I went about 30mph on a wide turn inwhich the tail whipped out... I could only image what would have happened if I had DSC off

(probably woulda gone to the other lanelol) I've turned off DSC once to see the true power of my car in a straight line of course and man i thought it was pretty quick. Soooo what can i expect when I have DSC off when driving normal and aggressive.

So far this is what I know.
-Light foot on the pedal when starting off a stop (when not racing just not above 2.225 RPM)
-Making fast turn: let off the gas when turning/slow down or stop when necessary

I just want to be properly driving the car with DSC off in normal and aggressive driving conditions. I know its dangerous to have traction control off but I also know there are lots of cars out there that do not even have traction control. But IMHO these cars were meant to have traction control off.

lagunasecablue · Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:42:03 PM

No, don't put the car in neutral and let off the gas when turning!!!!! When you let off the throttle the weight transfers to the front end... same thing happens when you hit the brakes... this robs traction from the rear and makes it more likely that the rear will come around especially if you're going fast.

I think you should go to an autocross or driver's school (trackday, HPDE, etc.) and get some seat time to learn how the car behaves at the limit.

DSC off is NOT death mode given an experienced driver that understands driving technique.

LEAVE IT ON until you get more experience driving...

baller1792 · Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:43:23 PM

ok ill fix that haha before anyone else sees that noob statement thanks for the reply!

Farbod · Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:43:52 PM

You must be a capable driver. I know an 18 year old kid that was killed because he did not know how to drive this car with the DSC turned off...

lagunasecablue · Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:46:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farbod

You must be a capable driver. I know an 18 year old kid that was killed because he did not know how to drive this car with the DSC turned off...

I don't think turning off DSC caused him to die, I think not knowing how to drive caused him to die. DSC is only a safety net that tries to help you from crashing... it's no substitute for being prudent because it can't defy the laws of physics, only manipulate the car's brakes and throttle to bring you back in line. That said it helps you keep such a powerful car under control without being ultra skilled at driving.

baller1792 · Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:51:41 PM

oh yeah are there two traction control modes on this car? I see two of them the other one is some button to the right. I'll go check right now one sec.

lagunasecablue · Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:53:08 PM

No there are not two traction control modes on a non-ZCP M3 (and those started in '05). DSC is on or off.

baller1792 · Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:55:30 PM

its the one with the triangle and this around it (triangle) what is that then ?

RhaceM3 · Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:59:16 PM

Here is a thought

LEARN HOW TO DRIVE!

Diabolik · Thu, Nov-08-2007, 12:02:07 AM

I drive with DSC off all the time when I'm in the dry, but I know my cars limits and what it can and can do. At first I drove with it on until I got used to the car and now I leave it off. As the others said, you need to be a capable driver familiar with the M3.

-J

Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:39:13 PM	#1
baller1792 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 379 Reputation: 0	DSC off = Death Mode ? This is obviously in regards to DSC being OFF. Now I've had bad experiences with traction control off in a 350z, racing on a windy road with it is just too scary as it always loses traction and always having to catch it again (road was closed no innocent bystanders). I even did a F+ drift by accident just doing a normal no brake turn and almost falling into a ditch lol. Back to the main topic, now that I have shown you some bad experiences with traction control off I want to know how bad it is to have DSC off on the M3. Today I went about 30mph on a wide turn inwhich the tail whipped out... I could only image what would have happened if I had DSC off (probably woulda gone to the other lanelol) I've turned off DSC once to see the true power of my car in a straight line of course and man i thought it was pretty quick. Soooo what can i expect when I have DSC off when driving normal and aggressive. So far this is what I know. -Light foot on the pedal when starting off a stop (when not racing just not above 2.225 RPM) -Making fast turn: let off the gas when turning/slow down or stop when necessary I just want to be properly driving the car with DSC off in normal and aggressive driving conditions. I know its dangerous to have traction control off but I also know there are lots of cars out there that do not even have traction control. But IMHO these cars were meant to have traction control off. Last edited by baller1792; Wed, Nov-07-2007 at 11:43:47 PM.

Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:42:03 PM	#2
lagunasecablue The SMMMURF Join Date: Jul 2003 Age: 25 Posts: 2,130 Reputation: 0 Location: Pleasanton, CA	No, don't put the car in neutral and let off the gas when turning!!!!! When you let off the throttle the weight transfers to the front end... same thing happens when you hit the brakes... this robs traction from the rear and makes it more likely that the rear will come around especially if you're going fast. I think you should go to an autocross or driver's school (trackday, HPDE, etc.) and get some seat time to learn how the car behaves at the limit. DSC off is NOT death mode given an experienced driver that understands driving technique. LEAVE IT ON until you get more experience driving... __________________ 2009 M3 Sedan Alpine White/Black 6MT - no moonroof, stock 2004 M3 Coupe Laguna Seca Blue/Black 6MT - no moonroof, RAC RG63, Dinan/Koni 2004 S2000 Sebring Silver/Black 6MT - OEM hardtop, stock 1995 Miata - SCCA Spec Miata SFR '08 Champion Maintained and modded by Performance Technic

Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:43:52 PM	#4
Farbod 2008 e92 JB DCT ///M3 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 452 Reputation: 0 Location: Southern California	You must be a capable driver. I know an 18 year old kid that was killed because he did not know how to drive this car with the DSC turned off... __________________ My 2008 e92 Jerez Black Metallic ///M3 Options: NDSW Black Novillo Extended Leather, Carbon Fiber Roof, 2MK DCT, 4MY Carbon Leather Trim, 507 PDC, 655 Satelite Radio, 6FL iPod and USB, 762 Enhanced Sound Package, ZPP Premium Package, ZTP Technology Package My 2005 e46 Carbon Black Metallic ZCP (GONE) ///M3 Vorsteiner - TC Kline - TMS - Poweflex - StreamLine - Rogue Engineering - Borla - BSW- EAS Carbon Fiber

Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:53:08 PM	#7
lagunasecablue The SMMMURF Join Date: Jul 2003 Age: 25 Posts: 2,130 Reputation: 0 Location: Pleasanton, CA	No there are not two traction control modes on a non-ZCP M3 (and those started in '05). DSC is on or off. __________________ 2009 M3 Sedan Alpine White/Black 6MT - no moonroof, stock 2004 M3 Coupe Laguna Seca Blue/Black 6MT - no moonroof, RAC RG63, Dinan/Koni 2004 S2000 Sebring Silver/Black 6MT - OEM hardtop, stock 1995 Miata - SCCA Spec Miata SFR '08 Champion Maintained and modded by Performance Technic

Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:59:16 PM	#9
RhaceM3 Boobie Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,537 Reputation: 0 Location: St. Louis	Here is a thought LEARN HOW TO DRIVE! __________________ Ryan MY M3 Special Thanks to: Tom @ EAS, Dan and Ian @ DER Motorsports, and Sean @ Discovery Automotive. Official M3 Boobies Club: Boob #14

Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:43:23 PM	#3
baller1792 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 379 Reputation: 0	ok ill fix that haha before anyone else sees that noob statement thanks for the reply!

Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:51:41 PM	#6
baller1792 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 379 Reputation: 0	oh yeah are there two traction control modes on this car? I see two of them the other one is some button to the right. I'll go check right now one sec.

Wed, Nov-07-2007, 11:55:30 PM	#8
baller1792 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 379 Reputation: 0	its the one with the triangle and this around it (triangle) what is that then ?

Thu, Nov-08-2007, 12:02:07 AM	#10
Diabolik M. Learn it. Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 165 Reputation: 0 Location: Mississauga, ON	I drive with DSC off all the time when I'm in the dry, but I know my cars limits and what it can and can do. At first I drove with it on until I got used to the car and now I leave it off. As the others said, you need to be a capable driver familiar with the M3. -J

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