[lagunasecablue]

Originally Posted by Porschec4

but cup tires in 35 degree weather are not going to do well at all, especially if not heated up either.

Agreed... but they are "not going to do well" relative to how well they'd do on a 60 degree day- not street tires.

Wonder what the GTR will do in V-spec trim on actual race rubber and not an ancient street tire compound (it first debuted on the 2002 NSX and then became much popular as the stock tire on the Subaru Impreza WRX STi where it became gained a reputation for being bad in the wet compared to other tires in the category).

[rave426]

Originally Posted by lagunasecablue

Agreed... but they are "not going to do well" relative to how well they'd do on a 60 degree day- not street tires.

Wonder what the GTR will do in V-spec trim on actual race rubber and not an ancient street tire compound (it first debuted on the 2002 NSX and then became much popular as the stock tire on the Subaru Impreza WRX STi where it became reputed for being bad in the wet compared to others in the category).

I think this rubber is slightly different. Bridgstone specifically designed this set of tires for the GTR. Sidewalls are less stiff than a normal runflat. I would also guess they made other improvements.

What I want to see is a GTR running on MPSC's. I'm sure that would be a sight.

[Porschec4]

Originally Posted by lagunasecablue

Agreed... but they are "not going to do well" relative to how well they'd do on a 60 degree day- not street tires.

Wonder what the GTR will do in V-spec trim on actual race rubber and not an ancient street tire compound (it first debuted on the 2002 NSX and then became much popular as the stock tire on the Subaru Impreza WRX STi where it became gained a reputation for being bad in the wet compared to other tires in the category).

i agree...i feel that the time the GTR pulled (with such a huge advantage) shows that the GT3 really is a much better car.

[lagunasecablue]

Originally Posted by Porschec4

i agree...i feel that the time the GTR pulled (with such a huge advantage) shows that the GT3 really is a much better car.

Advantage day to day, yes. Advantage on the tires, no. A huge advantage? Certainly not- both cars are on temperature sensitive rubber, with the PSC's being more so. I don't think laptime proves that one car is "better" than another... even though the GTR beat the GT3 I still think the GT3 would be more fun and involving for a more experienced driver, and I still think the GTR is the better way to "go fast" for less money and with less experience.

On another day, the GT3 might match the GTR's time or slightly beat it, but remember we're comparing apples to oranges here at the point where all three cars are on different rubber. And there is an argument for not only testing cars in perfect weather since most of the time day to day use is seldom going to be ideal (either for temperature reasons or rain which is frequent in the UK).

Originally Posted by rave426

I think this rubber is slightly different. Bridgstone specifically designed this set of tires for the GTR. Sidewalls are less stiff than a normal runflat. I would also guess they made other improvements.

That is a possibility. However, the tread pattern did not change at all and I am surprised they are still calling it the RE070. It makes sense that they tailored the tires to the car, though, as that is Bridgestone's most hardcore offering and only available in selected sizes to OEMs that work directly with them. Pretty much what BMW did with the "special" PS2's on the E92 M3.

Originally Posted by rave426

What I want to see is a GTR running on MPSC's. I'm sure that would be a sight.

Haha... or even better some of the next-generation R-compounds that are coming out from Toyo, Hankook, Nitto, Hoosier ... PSC's are good but a somewhat dated design and more temperature sensitive than most. The new PSC+'s are a more street friendly version but the competition has moved on significantly since they were released some time ago.

[Rez]

Originally Posted by Porschec4

well when it beat the gt3 by .3 seconds, remember, it has AWD and all season tires, the GT3 had Michelin Cup tires in 35 degrees temps (they arent supposed ot be used in anything under 50 degrees i believe, and need to be warmed up first). its not faster than a GT3 around a track. maybe faster in a straight, but not a track...

the fact that it had such a huge advantage an only beat the GT3 by .3 second in conditions that was totally in favor of the GTR shows how much better the GT3 is to me.

Excuses, excuses. I love the GT3, I would never buy a GTR over GT3 nor will i buy a TT over GT3, to me GT3 is a dream car for the money. But understand that some like to make a mockery of others pointing out some similar circumstances of comparisons between GTR and the M3 but turn around and defend porsches times in regards to GTR with different excuses. It seems like that GTR did beat 997TT fair and square, no?
What I am trying to say is that don't complain of others being biased in regards to M3 when you are clearly biased towards porsche, it just looks hypocritical.

[Brown Skidmark]

Originally Posted by Porschec4

i dont think the GTR is as good as a GT3 by any means, nor a 911 turbo, but its still damn good!

A certain Mr. Chris Harris has butt time in both and seems to disagree with you. He calls it a draw with the GT3 and in this months Autocar he states there is no contest between the GTR and the Turbo. Go figure...

[Brown Skidmark]

Originally Posted by Porschec4

i dont think the GTR is as good as a GT3 by any means, nor a 911 turbo, but its still damn good!

Originally Posted by Porschec4

well when it beat the gt3 by .3 seconds, remember, it has AWD and all season tires, the GT3 had Michelin Cup tires in 35 degrees temps (they arent supposed ot be used in anything under 50 degrees i believe, and need to be warmed up first). its not faster than a GT3 around a track. maybe faster in a straight, but not a track...

the fact that it had such a huge advantage an only beat the GT3 by .3 second in conditions that was totally in favor of the GTR shows how much better the GT3 is to me.

HUH? You forget that was Chris Harris' first run in the GTR. He has YEARS of seat time in all manner of Porsches, including Cup racers in 24hr enduros. For him to come out and (BAM) first time beat the Gt3 time without 1% of the seat time he has in GT3s is mind boggling. He even says so and he is clearly blown away at the easy performance. I bet the gap would be close to a second if a Nissan factory driver(who still wouldnt have the equivalent seat time as Chris) did the hot lap.

[Brown Skidmark]

Originally Posted by Rez

Excuses, excuses. I love the GT3, I would never buy a GTR over GT3 nor will i buy a TT over GT3, to me GT3 is a dream car for the money. But understand that some like to make a mockery of others pointing out some similar circumstances of comparisons between GTR and the M3 but turn around and defend porsches times in regards to GTR with different excuses. It seems like that GTR did beat 997TT fair and square, no?
What I am trying to say is that don't complain of others being biased in regards to M3 when you are clearly biased towards porsche, it just looks hypocritical.

I agree. And they were both AWD at the time; hence no perceived advantage to the GTR. In Autocar Harris simply stated the Turbo didnt stand a chance. Again, similar stats don't show real world usability.

I wish this were the M3 we were writing about in reverence.

[DCLeopard91]

Originally Posted by rpoc

Even if by the greatest miracle known to the automotive engineering world,
a 2 Ton, 485HP, AWD Nissan GTR, with Vista installed by Bill himself,
can somehow not burn down a set of tires and brake pads in 30 minutes or less on a racetrack (I bet rotors in 2 days),
and even if Nissan returned to the FIA LM P1 Class (well not with a gas turbo) and dominated LeMans with a 1,2,3 finish with some form of the GTR,
It just doesn’t matter, it just doesn’t matter, it just doesn’t matter………
Because all of the really good looking girls are still going to go out with the guys with the Porsches and BMW’s,
It just, doesn’t, matter….

Thanks to Bill Murray for the inspiration

Riiiiiiiiight, because THAT's why a real man buys a car, so he can impress some skank, not for its beauty, engineering genius, performance, etc. HA, funny post.

[DCLeopard91]

Originally Posted by Brown Skidmark

I agree. And they were both AWD at the time; hence no perceived advantage to the GTR. In Autocar Harris simply stated the Turbo didnt stand a chance. Again, similar stats don't show real world usability.

I wish this were the M3 we were writing about in reverence.

Yes, me too, reading that writeup from the guy in the UK gave me goosebumps. Too bad the interior is so ugly, because it's something you have to look at every day! Man, I wish I were rich so I could afford a GTR AND an M3/RS5.