[1baadm3]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye1

Depends on what you're looking for. GTR looks to price out about $10K more than the M3. GTR will smoke the M3 in a straight line and on the track. M3 is more civilized and can be used as a daily driver whereas the GTR is like the Porsche GT3; built to be a track car, not really a DD.

^^i don't think this is true. The gtr is an everday super car, maybe more so than the m3. Have you seen the video of the gtr is snow, rain, all type of weaher/road condition? I think it is an awesome daily driver. Nissan even claimed that you can still speak to your passenger while doing 150+ pmh inside the gtr, go figured.

I had a chance to sit in the new m3, the seat is horrible because it is not wide enough. I am still wondering if they are making the car for tiny people or something and i'm only 5.11 weighing 160 pounds. The seat in the gtr is way better from my initial experience. After all, that is where you will be spending your time on while driving.

GTR is very easy to drive fast. Even top gear (plus other reviewer) said that even your grandma can drive as fast as the gt3 in the gtr. So I think it is the perfect DD.

One thing I noticed is that Nissan seemed to design the GTR with the male audiences from the ground up. Very agresive and muscular looking. The m3 on the other hand seems to apeal to the females crowd more. I asked all my females friends and they said the same thing.

[Brown Skidmark]

Originally Posted by sleeks

They are both outstanding cars.....I'm just not a fan of AWD. I've been thinking about picking up a used 911TT, but I would have to disable the AWD and make it RWD.

WHAT? Lose the benefit of additional traction with all of the extra weight for...nothing? Might as well slap a turbo kit on a Carrera

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Brown Skidmark

WHAT? Lose the benefit of additional traction with all of the extra weight for...nothing? Might as well slap a turbo kit on a Carrera

You'd be suprised how many people do it, I'm assuming he meant a 996 Turbo since it's in the price range and he said used. You can take 70 lbs off the car and improve turn in dramatically with RWD conversion. I dont like it for the car because it upsets the already funcky weight balance even more with removing that much weight from the front of the car. I choose to improve turn in w/ camber and suspension work. But lot's of people love it in the 996 TT. It also makes for better drag strip times as you can put on DR's, 996 TT's are a pain to launch in AWD form.

And in the 996 TT, there is rarely any power going to the front, in fact you cant dyno it on anything other than a dyna pack or mustang dyno, awd dyno jets and ones that dont have linked rollers will burn the differential because there isnt enough power going to the front wheels to turn a roller on their own.

[RussianM3_dude]

Originally Posted by jidexl

Having driven an M3 since 2001 and considering the new M3 I do have a couple of questions

Given the new pricing structure for the E92M3 fully spec'd out doesn't the Nissan GTR seem to be the much better option

Don't get me wrong. I'm a hard cor M division fan. Just type JIDEX into youtube to see all my videos
I own both an M6 and E46 M3 . I really want to get the new M3 but so much seems to have changed over he years.

When I got my current M3 it was atop the food chain due to its pricing. Nothing came close in performance that could really challenge the In line 3.2L 333hp engine

Now with the price of the new M3 its no longer the badass it used to be. Look at the M6 for instance. For its price its faster than many a super car
I can personally testify to this
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...x&search_type=

Now I think the new M3 (ie E92) is going to be an awesome car but will be significantly outperformed by the similar priced GTR which puts down 0-60 in 3.5 secs, is faster than a 911 Turbo and handles better than a 911GT3 which is saying a whole lot

What do you guys think .
This thread by the way is by no means an attempt to bash the E92 M3 at all. I've been driving an M3 for 6 years already- so beleiev I love the M's. I just think that they've priced the car wrongly. It seems to be almost $20,000 to expensive, either that or they should have put the 485HP race versionof the engine into this road going version

Comments please. Thanks

Get the GTR no question. AWD for winter and "DSG" for traffic. Porsche Turbo humbling performance. Will be pretty rare and a WOW! sight on the road. M3 looks like a regular dime a dozen 3 series to 90% of population and even to those in the know... it's nothing special since M3s themselves are the Civic of teh sports car world... they are everywhere.

[Brown Skidmark]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

You'd be suprised how many people do it, I'm assuming he meant a 996 Turbo since it's in the price range and he said used. You can take 70 lbs off the car and improve turn in dramatically with RWD conversion. I dont like it for the car because it upsets the already funcky weight balance even more with removing that much weight from the front of the car. I choose to improve turn in w/ camber and suspension work. But lot's of people love it in the 996 TT. It also makes for better drag strip times as you can put on DR's, 996 TT's are a pain to launch in AWD form.

And in the 996 TT, there is rarely any power going to the front, in fact you cant dyno it on anything other than a dyna pack or mustang dyno, awd dyno jets and ones that dont have linked rollers will burn the differential because there isnt enough power going to the front wheels to turn a roller on their own.

I never knew. Guess we do learn something new everyday. It just seems that you would be able to get better performance, and cheaper, with a C2 and turbo. Low weight and more power.

[djben]

Originally Posted by Brown Skidmark

WHAT? Lose the benefit of additional traction with all of the extra weight for...nothing? Might as well slap a turbo kit on a Carrera

Because you know a company called "Porsche" didn't do JUST that and make a car called the "GT2".



I am looking into a 996TT X50, deleting AWD, upgrading the suspension, perhaps giving it a chip, throwing in race seats, lightweight battery....Finding one without a sunroof (if they exist) would be optimal. Basically a homebrew GT2. My beef with the car is the engine is in the wrong place, but my only other option would be a used Ferrari 360, and maintenance is going to be a bit too much for me to handle with how much I drive.

[BMW740850]

Can you direct me to find out what a Alpin Weiss III on an X5 is?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by djben

No car that weighs 3700+lbs is any sort of track car. The only one Porsche makes is the GT3, even the TT is very hefty and more akin to a GT car.

I agree, but the GT-R is quicker around a track so far than Porsche's GT3. The Spec V version of the GT-R will be the track version for sure, 550 horsepower, 3450 pounds.

[Porschec4]

Originally Posted by djben

Because you know a company called "Porsche" didn't do JUST that and make a car called the "GT2".



I am looking into a 996TT X50, deleting AWD, upgrading the suspension, perhaps giving it a chip, throwing in race seats, lightweight battery....Finding one without a sunroof (if they exist) would be optimal. Basically a homebrew GT2. My beef with the car is the engine is in the wrong place, but my only other option would be a used Ferrari 360, and maintenance is going to be a bit too much for me to handle with how much I drive.

no one else in the world could have taken the 'engine in the wrong place' design and created the worlds best sports car and set the benchmark with its car other than Porsche. why do you think Porsche overwhelmingly had more races than any other manufacturer?
that said, there will come a day when the 911 becomes a hybrid of the 911 and cayman...mid engined flat 8, 4.1-4.3 liter and about 475-500 hp. take about perfection!

[Brown Skidmark]

Originally Posted by djben

Because you know a company called "Porsche" didn't do JUST that and make a car called the "GT2".


I am looking into a 996TT X50, deleting AWD, upgrading the suspension, perhaps giving it a chip, throwing in race seats, lightweight battery....Finding one without a sunroof (if they exist) would be optimal. Basically a homebrew GT2. My beef with the car is the engine is in the wrong place, but my only other option would be a used Ferrari 360, and maintenance is going to be a bit too much for me to handle with how much I drive.

I believe the GT2 is MUCH more than that. In theory, you're correct. Look at the long list of improvements the GT2 has over the TT. Its not just 'disconnecting the front wheel drive'.