[Mvez]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

All I'm saying is that yes the GT3 probably feels better, but so do a lot of cars. And my point is that if you really want feel, buy a Miata or a Caterham or something like that.

All these guys claiming the GT3 is the much better driver's car are kidding themselves. Not because it's not, but because most guys never scratch the surface of the GT3.

All this "i'd rather have a GT3" is dumb. Rather have it to do what? Go to Starbucks?

The GTR is likely to get driven much more to its potential than the GT3 is.

Get a clue my friend.....the GT3 is a better driver's car because even when going to Starbuck's it's more fun, involving, and entertaining than the GTR. A driver's car is not defined by how fast you can drive it, or how accessible the ultimate speed is....but rather how much it lets the driver control it, hence "driver's" car. The Nissan 350Z/370Z is more of a driver's car than the GTR, and most of the guys who drive the Z will never scratch the surface of the Z's potential either.

If you actually knew anything about a GT3, you'd know that the car is VERY driveable by virtually anyone up to about 8/10ths...it's beyond that when you must respect it and have the talent to extract the most from the car.

You don't even know what you are talking about at this point.....

[Cyrus]

Originally Posted by Mvez

Get a clue my friend.....the GT3 is a better driver's car because even when going to Starbuck's it's more fun, involving, and entertaining than the GTR. A driver's car is not defined by how fast you can drive it, or how accessible the ultimate speed is....but rather how much it lets the driver control it, hence "driver's" car. The Nissan 350Z/370Z is more of a driver's car than the GTR, and most of the guys who drive the Z will never scratch the surface of the Z's potential either.

If you actually knew anything about a GT3, you'd know that the car is VERY driveable by virtually anyone up to about 8/10ths...it's beyond that when you must respect it and have the talent to extract the most from the car.

You don't even know what you are talking about at this point.....

yeah, shame on Nissan for producing a car whose limits can be approcahed without you taking your life into your own hands.

If Nissan put another 40k into the car so it cost the same as the Gt3, and made it drive like a race ready car, I'm sure it would be a fairer comparison, but you'd probably still not like it because it's AWD -- as if an Evo or Sti can't be driver's cars and nobody's ever had fun in one of those right....

[beebo100]

having the knowledge to tame the porsche and getting right is probably very rewarding but you have to acknowledge lateral acceleration is just as exhilirating. porsche's slow in fast out is great on the out, but the gtr's fast in fast out is probably just as, if not even more so. going in with a high enterance speed and pulling it off doesn't sound appealing to you? plus traction control can be completely turned off with a flip of the button.

[Mvez]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

yeah, shame on Nissan for producing a car whose limits can be approcahed without you taking your life into your own hands.

If Nissan put another 40k into the car so it cost the same as the Gt3, and made it drive like a race ready car, I'm sure it would be a fairer comparison, but you'd probably still not like it because it's AWD -- as if an Evo or Sti can't be driver's cars and nobody's ever had fun in one of those right....

Because when I think of safe, I think of super-AWD cars making up for your every mistake and constant overdriving of the car at limits & speeds that are much higher than your talent.

False sense of security, that's what those kind of cars encourage, especially the fanbois on open roads much less the track.

It's called: mash the brakes, turn-in, UNDERSTEEEEEER, accelerate, turn more, UNDERSTEEEER, run out of road/track, drop 2 wheels, over correct, lift, wreck.

It's like clockwork every time.....

[Ginsu Tim]

RED CARD!

Use of esoteric Term "Vaunted" twice within 250 words of eachother.

[al4t1gbundy]

^ lol red card ..

I personally am not too much of a fan of the GTR, but I do not see why there is so much bashing. I mean for one thing .. you guys are comparing it to the GT3. THE GT3! This is a Nissan car here that has a msrp of about 70k.

Granted the GT3 is a better car, but you should give the GTR props no doubt for what it can do at the price that was originally offered from a company that is not exactly known to have superior cars such as the almighty Porsche.

What I tend to see is that people normally automatically downgrade cars that come from say Japan versus some German counterparts. I see people on the E46 forums automatically associating the lowly Honda S2000 to a slow pos w/o really knowing how great the car is. This is probably the case with the GTR as well. What would you guys say if BMW made the GTR?

On a side note: I think it'll be cool if Nissan offered a track version of the GTR (GTR-R?) lol .. where it is RWD and lighter w/o much of the gizmos. That should be something to consider ... (Vspec is AWD still w/ the gizmos the last I heard so I am not talking about that)

[1baadm3]

Originally Posted by a08_mthrizzle

^ lol red card ..

I personally am not too much of a fan of the GTR, but I do not see why there so much bashing. I mean for one thing .. you guys are comparing it to the GT3. THE GT3! This is a Nissan car here that has a msrp of about 70k.

Granted the GT3 is a better car, but you should give the GTR props no doubt for what it can do at the price that was originally offered from a company that is not exactly known to have superior cars such as the almighty Porsche.

What I tend to see is that people normally associate that since car came from say Japan, it is automatically downgraded versus some German counterparts. I see people on the E46 forums automatically associating the lowly Honda S2000 to a slow pos w/o really knowing how great the car is. This is probably the case with the GTR as well. What would you guys say if BMW made the GTR?

On a side note: I think it'll be cool if Nissan offered a track version of the GTR (GTR-R?) lol .. where it is RWD and lighter w/o much of the gizmos. That should be something to consider ... (Vspec is AWD still w/ the gizmos the last I heard so I am not talking about that)

GTR is a GT car meant to compete with the 911 turbo, not sure why people keep comparing it to the track focus gt3 (obviously it is more raw which in turn more fun) or the $200k 911 gt2. Well I guess the fanboys knew the turbo would get spank badly so they had to use the gt3 (still got spanked by the gtr but more fun and gt2 more hp but the same performance or 0.1s faster for comparsion). what a fair comparison

[Cyrus]

Exactly. The comparison is ridiculous. It's like comparing the GTR itself to a car that is 30k cheaper, like an A5.

"Man, that A5 sux, the GTR blows it away."

[al4t1gbundy]

Again the GTR being compared to those cars that it is being compared to should tell how GOOD the GTR is.

People just need to constantly find flaws in cars to justify why they DON'T want to like it instead of accepting the fact how good the car really is.

BTW Cyrus .. the A5 (S-line or , S5) is sexy as hell though!

[LALaw]

Oh yeah? Well I'd like to see the GTR just TRY to hang with a Protomotohellomotomotivo 996 911 TT