S54 vs S65 weight differences

MThrice · Mon, Jan-03-2011, 02:58:46 AM

Your photo says it all! I like the blue tape to save the road damage. With my luck, they find a way not to warranty something, Bob Smith. Have you had any warrantied work due to track time? I've got a friend trying to convince me to track mine.

Zman84 · Mon, Jan-03-2011, 03:05:06 AM

The tape is to protect the paint and plastic. Some cars run with serious rubber, and chunks will literally come off and stick to your car. Obviously, no warranty will cover cosmetic damage.

Last summer I bent a rim at the track, and simply took it to the dealer the next day and got a new one (I have the optional tire/rim warranty). Of more concern is your car insurance. If you stuff the car into a corner, and they find out, they will NOT cover you. There is track day insurance offered the day of your event, which I would recommend.

**Synenergy52** · Mon, Jan-03-2011, 06:44:38 PM

Right and just as the F3X M3 is under development, your car is well on its way to becoming "outdated" and inferior. Get ready to pony up soon... or wait is your lease contract going to allow that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmihld

It’s not just BMW stating it’s the best handling M3 they have ever made, but all the real "critical thinkers" like road and track, top gear, etc. It's typical product evolution.

All things being equal, weight has nothing to do with handling capability. It is the CG height that dictates handling. That is factual car handling physics

Hey, listen, I didn’t mean to upset E46 owners. I used to be one. But it’s an older generation car. Its outdated lust like the E30 and 1972 Torino.

nemex12 · Mon, Jun-27-2011, 05:50:23 PM

well, sorry for stealing the next 2 or 3 hours of your life guys but ,as u asked for it,here it is:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...593547&page=26
sorry if its a repost

Cruzer · Mon, Jun-27-2011, 09:03:11 PM

I own both, but the E46 is the keeper.

ArmyAV8R · Fri, Jul-01-2011, 12:33:03 AM

They are updating their website sorry for that.
Manhart Racing
http://manhart-racing.de/

Tauber Motorsports e46m3.. I know the guy is driving with one hand and no helmet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0hYqtP2r-Y

This is a friend of mine, their car is very fast and I have had a ride in it around the ring. He may be driving with only one hand but he is a former DTM driver and can get away with it. I have ridden with him on the ring when he chased down and passed a E60 M5 in a E92 320D.

Sorry that is a bit off topic. If there were a like button I probably would have just clicked that.

Chaser720 · Fri, Jul-01-2011, 10:28:00 PM

Glad this thread got straightened out. I was pretty heated reading the first few pages of posts with people actually agreeing on incorrect info.

EricSMG · Sat, Jul-02-2011, 05:33:57 AM

This thread was extremely frustrating to read... lots of baseless opinions based on "theory" when half the people haven't even driven the current model.

The new car is faster than the 46M, in every measurable criteria, end of story. Yeah, it weighs a little more, but it's all RELATIVE people. The wieght delta is roughly the same as the delta between the 36 and 46.... except that the 46 offers no real handling advantage over the 36 while the E9X flat kills the 46 in the handling dept., but you 46M fanboys conveniently overlook this. Stop bitching (or clinging to, rather) about how heavy it is. If you don't like it, fine, but for the love of God accept the performance facts and freaking appreciate what a fine automobile it is.

After all, it's an M3. It kicks ass. It's the model we all (should) love.

Chaser720 · Sat, Jul-02-2011, 11:39:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSMG

This thread was extremely frustrating to read... lots of baseless opinions based on "theory" when half the people haven't even driven the current model.

The new car is faster than the 46M, in every measurable criteria, end of story. Yeah, it weighs a little more, but it's all RELATIVE people. The wieght delta is roughly the same as the delta between the 36 and 46.... except that the 46 offers no real handling advantage over the 36 while the E9X flat kills the 46 in the handling dept., but you 46M fanboys conveniently overlook this. Stop bitching (or clinging to, rather) about how heavy it is. If you don't like it, fine, but for the love of God accept the performance facts and freaking appreciate what a fine automobile it is.

After all, it's an M3. It kicks ass. It's the model we all (should) love.

Bold statement...

suaveflooder · Sun, Jul-03-2011, 12:13:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSMG

This thread was extremely frustrating to read... lots of baseless opinions based on "theory" when half the people haven't even driven the current model.

The new car is faster than the 46M, in every measurable criteria, end of story. Yeah, it weighs a little more, but it's all RELATIVE people. The wieght delta is roughly the same as the delta between the 36 and 46.... except that the 46 offers no real handling advantage over the 36 while the E9X flat kills the 46 in the handling dept., but you 46M fanboys conveniently overlook this. Stop bitching (or clinging to, rather) about how heavy it is. If you don't like it, fine, but for the love of God accept the performance facts and freaking appreciate what a fine automobile it is.

After all, it's an M3. It kicks ass. It's the model we all (should) love.

Well said. Agreed

Mon, Jan-03-2011, 02:58:46 AM	#71
MThrice Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 19 In the garage: '95 BMW M3 '01 BMW M3 '08 BMW M3 Reputation: 0	Re: S54 vs S65 weight differences Your photo says it all! I like the blue tape to save the road damage. With my luck, they find a way not to warranty something, Bob Smith. Have you had any warrantied work due to track time? I've got a friend trying to convince me to track mine.

Mon, Jan-03-2011, 03:05:06 AM	#72
Zman84 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 126 In the garage: '11 BMW M3 Reputation: 0	Re: S54 vs S65 weight differences The tape is to protect the paint and plastic. Some cars run with serious rubber, and chunks will literally come off and stick to your car. Obviously, no warranty will cover cosmetic damage. Last summer I bent a rim at the track, and simply took it to the dealer the next day and got a new one (I have the optional tire/rim warranty). Of more concern is your car insurance. If you stuff the car into a corner, and they find out, they will NOT cover you. There is track day insurance offered the day of your event, which I would recommend. __________________ -Mike 2011 E92 M3 - Interlagos Blue, 6MT, ZCP 2007 Pikes Peak White Nissan 350Z Touring -SOLD- 2003 Aluminum Silver Nissan 350Z Performance -SOLD- 1997 Caracas Red Mitsubishi 3000GT SL -First Love- "Walking is not a lost art. One must, somehow, get to the garage."

Mon, Jun-27-2011, 05:50:23 PM	#74
nemex12 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5 Reputation: 0	Re: S54 vs S65 weight differences well, sorry for stealing the next 2 or 3 hours of your life guys but ,as u asked for it,here it is: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...593547&page=26 sorry if its a repost

Mon, Jun-27-2011, 09:03:11 PM	#75
Cruzer Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,076 Reputation: 0 Location: DuPont, WA	Re: S54 vs S65 weight differences I own both, but the E46 is the keeper. __________________ Cruzer 2003.5 E46 M3 Jet Black/Imola Red 2011.5 E92 M3 JB/Fox Red/Black

Fri, Jul-01-2011, 12:33:03 AM	#76
ArmyAV8R Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 164 Reputation: 0 Location: Colorado Springs	Re: S54 vs S65 weight differences They are updating their website sorry for that. Manhart Racing http://manhart-racing.de/ Tauber Motorsports e46m3.. I know the guy is driving with one hand and no helmet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0hYqtP2r-Y This is a friend of mine, their car is very fast and I have had a ride in it around the ring. He may be driving with only one hand but he is a former DTM driver and can get away with it. I have ridden with him on the ring when he chased down and passed a E60 M5 in a E92 320D. Sorry that is a bit off topic. If there were a like button I probably would have just clicked that.

Fri, Jul-01-2011, 10:28:00 PM	#77
Chaser720 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 583 Reputation: 0 Location: Clemson, SC	Re: S54 vs S65 weight differences Glad this thread got straightened out. I was pretty heated reading the first few pages of posts with people actually agreeing on incorrect info.

Sat, Jul-02-2011, 05:33:57 AM	#78
EricSMG 30 something Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6,559 Reputation: 0 Location: San Diego	Re: S54 vs S65 weight differences This thread was extremely frustrating to read... lots of baseless opinions based on "theory" when half the people haven't even driven the current model. The new car is faster than the 46M, in every measurable criteria, end of story. Yeah, it weighs a little more, but it's all RELATIVE people. The wieght delta is roughly the same as the delta between the 36 and 46.... except that the 46 offers no real handling advantage over the 36 while the E9X flat kills the 46 in the handling dept., but you 46M fanboys conveniently overlook this. Stop bitching (or clinging to, rather) about how heavy it is. If you don't like it, fine, but for the love of God accept the performance facts and freaking appreciate what a fine automobile it is. After all, it's an M3. It kicks ass. It's the model we all (should) love. __________________ *'04 46M 6MT \|\| '01 330Ci 5MT* Last edited by EricSMG; Sat, Jul-02-2011 at 05:49:30 AM.

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