BMW M3 Forum
BMW M3 Forum BMW M3 Gallery BMW M3 Reviews BMW M3 Social Groups BMW M3 Chat M3Forum Sponsors >>
Loading


Mobile M3forum
Go Back   BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 | E36 M3 | E46 M3 | E92 M3 | F80/X) > BMW M3 Discussions > E36 M3 (1992-1999)
Tire Rack Buy Winter Tires Now!
Not a member? Register Now!
Register Gallery All AlbumsBlogs Garage Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Calendar FAQ

E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999

Like us on Facebook
M3forum Sponsor ListInterested in Becoming an M3forum sponsor?  Click here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 04:42:35 PM   #1
JDM88
Registered User
 
JDM88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 239
Reputation: 0 JDM88 is on a distinguished road
Location: Atlanta/Athens

United States




Default Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down

Righto, searching this subject brings up a variety of possible solutions and problems so I've gone ahead and done some of the tests and hopefully this can narrow down what I need to do.

My symptons are that while the tranmission is cold, it's a complete ***** to get in reverse, as in genuinely difficult and I have to put a lot of force into getting it in gear. The same applies with first gear too. But once I get the car in motion for a little bit and the tranny/driveline parts get some heat in them, the problem disappears.

Now I've had slave/master cylinder issues on other cars and they never seemed to go away with a little bit of driving, rather they were alleviated with a lot of pedal pumping before eventually replacing the components.

With that said, I just tried shifting the gears with the car turned off and it wasn't a problem whatsoever. So that points towards hydraulic failure right? And on top of all that, the shifter has only recently found itself leaning towards fifth on the odd occassion.

So what should I look at working on next? The car has 150k on the clock but has been exceptionally maintained throughout its livelihood although I do not see any record of either cylinder being replaced at any point.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys
Jump to top JDM88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Register now and remove these ads
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 04:44:07 PM   #2
JDM88
Registered User
 
JDM88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 239
Reputation: 0 JDM88 is on a distinguished road
Location: Atlanta/Athens

United States




Default Re: Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down

And here's a little festive cheer for gratitude

Jump to top JDM88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 04:50:01 PM   #3
JPoland
Broken My Wallet
 
JPoland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Age: 28
Posts: 2,362
Reputation: 0 JPoland is on a distinguished road
Location: Atlanta

United States




Default Re: Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down

Is it that getting the shifter over to reverse is a PITA or getting it over is fine but getting it into the gear itself is a PITA?
__________________
~Joe

Jump to top JPoland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 04:54:54 PM   #4
JDM88
Registered User
 
JDM88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 239
Reputation: 0 JDM88 is on a distinguished road
Location: Atlanta/Athens

United States




Default Re: Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down

Getting it into gear. Moving it over to the left before you push it into reverse is no problem.
Jump to top JDM88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 04:57:18 PM   #5
JPoland
Broken My Wallet
 
JPoland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Age: 28
Posts: 2,362
Reputation: 0 JPoland is on a distinguished road
Location: Atlanta

United States




Default Re: Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down

Could be clutch related. When was the last time new fluid was put in?
When it is cold and the car is running, can you easily put it into other gears first?
__________________
~Joe

Jump to top JPoland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 05:01:49 PM   #6
runindawg
95M3 04ZHP
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 124
Reputation: 0 runindawg is on a distinguished road

United States




Default Re: Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down

Sounds like the clutch isn't fully releasing if it goes into gear fine when engine isn't running. How many miles on the clutch?
Would also be worth bleeding the clutch slave to get rid of any possible air and looking for fluid leaks around the slave and master(as well as checking reservoir level, of course).
The 5th gear lean thing is a different issue and requires pulling trany to fix. Several good DIY on that here and on BF's.
Jump to top runindawg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 05:07:06 PM   #7
JPoland
Broken My Wallet
 
JPoland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Age: 28
Posts: 2,362
Reputation: 0 JPoland is on a distinguished road
Location: Atlanta

United States




Default Re: Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down

Quote:
Originally Posted by runindawg View Post
The 5th gear lean thing is a different issue and requires pulling trany to fix. Several good DIY on that here and on BF's.
You could also pay someone local to do it for you nice and cheap
__________________
~Joe

Jump to top JPoland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 05:18:24 PM   #8
JDM88
Registered User
 
JDM88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 239
Reputation: 0 JDM88 is on a distinguished road
Location: Atlanta/Athens

United States




Default Re: Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down

The fifth gear lean I'm not so worried about but if I could pay you to help out then I'd be more than willing to do that. If anything it would be good to meet another local e36 owner I could learn from.

I changed the fluids for the diff and tranny about 4 months ago or so with mobil one synthetics.

The clutch responds completely fine when the car gets a little warmth into it. No signs of slippage or anything like that.

And when the car is cold and running it's still a real pain to get it into any gear. Although once I get the car moving it immediately becomes easier to get it into gears.
Jump to top JDM88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 06:05:58 PM   #9
JPoland
Broken My Wallet
 
JPoland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Age: 28
Posts: 2,362
Reputation: 0 JPoland is on a distinguished road
Location: Atlanta

United States




Default Re: Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down


It may be the lower temps not working well with the trans fluid or it could be that the clutch is not disengaging all the way.
If the clutch was disengaging then you would typically know it and its not something that would go away once the car gets going so I'm leaning towards trans oil.
We can take a look at it sometime if you want. For now, it doesn't sound like its anything that is going to prevent you from driving the car.
Worst case, just back into the parking spot at night and leave the car in first gear. Then in the morning you can just start the car and get moving without having to change gears first.
__________________
~Joe

Jump to top JPoland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Tue, Dec-21-2010, 07:01:43 PM   #10
cracky
Next level beats
 
cracky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,003
Reputation: 0 cracky is on a distinguished road

Canada




Default Re: Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down

what fluid are you running?

i wouldnt be surprised its the cause(as it is a lot of the times in cold situations) when cars dont shift well cold but get better once warm.

i just put some mobil 1 atf in my car and its been doing great in the cold. a tiny bit more effort when cold (as with anything) but no issues.

redline d4atf is also a good all yr fluid.


I had 80w90 in the sti and it was horrid in winter(last winter). trouble with 1,2 and reverse when cold(i knew it was the wrong thickness...but used it in a pinch)...put the proper 75w90 in it and its gold / night and day difference in the cold.

Fluids like redline mtl apparently dont like being cold in ours trans.
__________________

drive a live axle high power car in rain,
your e30 will feel like jesus.- DontRevMe

Last edited by cracky; Tue, Dec-21-2010 at 07:27:32 PM.
Jump to top cracky is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
cold, issue, narrow, shifting, tranny

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 09:09:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
M3Forum.com and M3forum.net is in no way sponsored, endorsed or affiliated by or with BMW NA / BMW AG or any of it's subsidiaries or vendors.
BMW and M3 (E90 M3 | E92 M3 | E93 M3 | E46 M3 | E36 M3 | E30 M3) are registered trademarks of BMW AG.
M3Forum Terms of Service
Copyright ©1999-2012 M3Forum.com
One of the largest message boards on the web !
Discussing Cold Tranny Shifting Issue - trying to narrow it down in the E36 M3 (1992-1999) Forum - {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999 at BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 | E36 M3 | E46 M3 | E92 M3 | F80/X)